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Financial s have gotten beaten down and I've been watching this stock for while. To me it looks like they've gotten unjustly beaten down, especially the regionals. I think all the bad news for this regional has been factored in and it has hit a bottom. Just take a look at all the insider buying. Anybody have any thoughts on financials, more specifically the regionals?
 

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I agree with you on this one. Uncle Milty is buying shares hand over fist. I like RF a lot right now also. Wells Fargo has been looking at Regions as a possible buyout candidate.
 

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I think you guys are on to something..Almost each at 52 wk lows..going to play 1000 shares of each..GL to us
 

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changed my mind and played RF only..$13.40..1000 shares GL Spread
 

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bought to early dammit..down to 12.95..Oh well it will come back..
 

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</TD></TR><TR><TD></TD><TD></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><!--Byline and print info ends --><TABLE id=Table8 cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width=570 border=0><TBODY><TR><TD class=printbody1 colSpan=3><!--start article body-->As the fallout from the subprime-mortgage crisis and credit crunch has continued to spread, the latest victims have been regional banks. In the early stages of the crisis, most of the market's attention centered on mortgage lenders such as Countrywide Financial <?XML:NAMESPACE PREFIX = MSTR /><MSTR:SECURITY>CFC</MSTR:SECURITY> and Wall Street giants such as Merrill Lynch <MSTR:SECURITY>MER</MSTR:SECURITY> and Citigroup <MSTR:SECURITY>C</MSTR:SECURITY>, which had to write down the value of billions of dollars of subprime-tainted securities on their balance sheets. Regional banks took some hits, like all financial firms, but for a while it seemed that they might be spared the worst of the damage.


In recent months, though, things have deteriorated rapidly for many regional banks, especially those with a lot of mortgage exposure in hard-hit areas of the country such as Florida and California. With housing prices in those formerly hot markets in free-fall and delinquencies and foreclosures on the rise, these banks are facing tremendous financial pressure and huge mortgage-related losses. In early May, National City <MSTR:SECURITY>NCC</MSTR:SECURITY> had to raise $7 billion in outside capital to shore up its balance sheet. On June 2, superregional bank giant Wachovia <MSTR:SECURITY>WB</MSTR:SECURITY> forced out its CEO, whose 2006 acquisition of California-based mortgage lender Golden West is a big factor behind the bank's current financial woes. The latest blow came on June 12, when KeyCorp <MSTR:SECURITY>KEY</MSTR:SECURITY> announced that it's slashing its dividend and raising $1.5 billion in capital. National City's stock is down 68% for the year to date through June 12, Wachovia is down 48%, and KeyCorp is down 47%, with many other regional banks down 20% or more.

Which mutual funds have been most affected by all this turmoil? Or, looking at it another way, which funds are making the biggest bets on a rebound in regional bank stocks? To find out, we looked at the funds with the largest combined percentage of their portfolios in seven prominent regional banks that have been particularly hard-hit in this crisis--National City, Wachovia, KeyCorp, SunTrust Banks <MSTR:SECURITY>STI</MSTR:SECURITY>, Regions Financial <MSTR:SECURITY>RF</MSTR:SECURITY>, Fifth Third Bancorp <MSTR:SECURITY>FITB</MSTR:SECURITY>, and Huntington Bancshares <MSTR:SECURITY>HBAN</MSTR:SECURITY>. Each of these banks is suffering because of significant exposure to mortgages, and each of the stocks is down more than 20% so far this year.

Not surprisingly, the funds with the biggest stakes in these beaten-down banks are financial-sector funds specializing in bank stocks. The top seven funds on the list fit this description, led by Senbanc <MSTR:SECURITY>SENBX</MSTR:SECURITY>, with 20.21% in the seven stocks, followed by Fidelity Select Banking <MSTR:SECURITY>FSRBX</MSTR:SECURITY> at 13.66% and Rydex Banking <MSTR:SECURITY>RYKAX</MSTR:SECURITY> at 12.66%. When we eliminate sector funds and look only at diversified funds, the results are a little more interesting. Here are the 10 diversified funds with the biggest combined percentage of assets in the seven stocks noted above, including each fund's category, size, and percentile rank in its category for the year to date through June 10.

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</TD></TR><TR><TD vAlign=top align=left height=14>[FONT=Trebuchet MS, Arial, Helvetica][SIZE=-2]Hennessy Cornerstone Value <MSTR:SECURITY>HFCVX</MSTR:SECURITY>[/SIZE][/FONT]</TD><TD vAlign=top align=right height=14>
[FONT=Trebuchet MS, Arial, Helvetica][SIZE=-2]Large Value[/SIZE][/FONT]​


</TD><TD vAlign=top align=right height=14>[FONT=Trebuchet MS, Arial, Helvetica][SIZE=-2]154.8[/SIZE][/FONT]</TD><TD vAlign=bottom align=right height=14>[FONT=Trebuchet MS, Arial, Helvetica][SIZE=-2]6.86[/SIZE][/FONT]</TD><TD vAlign=top align=right height=14>[FONT=Trebuchet MS, Arial, Helvetica][SIZE=-2]98[/SIZE][/FONT]</TD></TR><TR><TD vAlign=top align=right colSpan=5>
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</TD></TR><TR><TD vAlign=top align=left bgColor=#f0f8ff height=14>[FONT=Trebuchet MS, Arial, Helvetica][SIZE=-2]Schneider Value <MSTR:SECURITY>SCMLX</MSTR:SECURITY>[/SIZE][/FONT]</TD><TD vAlign=top align=right bgColor=#f0f8ff height=14>
[FONT=Trebuchet MS, Arial, Helvetica][SIZE=-2]Large Value[/SIZE][/FONT]​


</TD><TD vAlign=top align=right bgColor=#f0f8ff height=14>[FONT=Trebuchet MS, Arial, Helvetica][SIZE=-2]305.8[/SIZE][/FONT]</TD><TD vAlign=bottom align=right bgColor=#f0f8ff height=14>[FONT=Trebuchet MS, Arial, Helvetica][SIZE=-2]6.61[/SIZE][/FONT]</TD><TD vAlign=top align=right bgColor=#f0f8ff height=14>[FONT=Trebuchet MS, Arial, Helvetica][SIZE=-2]53[/SIZE][/FONT]</TD></TR><TR><TD vAlign=top align=right colSpan=5>
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</TD></TR><TR><TD vAlign=top align=left height=14>[FONT=Trebuchet MS, Arial, Helvetica][SIZE=-2]DWS Dreman High Return Equity <MSTR:SECURITY>KDHAX</MSTR:SECURITY>[/SIZE][/FONT]</TD><TD vAlign=top align=right height=14>
[FONT=Trebuchet MS, Arial, Helvetica][SIZE=-2]Large Value[/SIZE][/FONT]​


</TD><TD vAlign=top align=right height=14>[FONT=Trebuchet MS, Arial, Helvetica][SIZE=-2]6,991.0[/SIZE][/FONT]</TD><TD vAlign=bottom align=right height=14>[FONT=Trebuchet MS, Arial, Helvetica][SIZE=-2]6.36[/SIZE][/FONT]</TD><TD vAlign=top align=right height=14>[FONT=Trebuchet MS, Arial, Helvetica][SIZE=-2]88[/SIZE][/FONT]</TD></TR><TR><TD vAlign=top align=right colSpan=5>
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</TD></TR><TR><TD vAlign=top align=left bgColor=#f0f8ff height=11>[FONT=Trebuchet MS, Arial, Helvetica][SIZE=-2]Dreman Contrarian Large Cap Value <MSTR:SECURITY>DRLVX</MSTR:SECURITY>[/SIZE][/FONT]</TD><TD vAlign=top align=right bgColor=#f0f8ff height=11>
[FONT=Trebuchet MS, Arial, Helvetica][SIZE=-2]Large Value[/SIZE][/FONT]​


</TD><TD vAlign=top align=right bgColor=#f0f8ff height=11>[FONT=Trebuchet MS, Arial, Helvetica][SIZE=-2]7.8[/SIZE][/FONT]</TD><TD vAlign=bottom align=right bgColor=#f0f8ff height=11>[FONT=Trebuchet MS, Arial, Helvetica][SIZE=-2]6.00[/SIZE][/FONT]</TD><TD vAlign=top align=right bgColor=#f0f8ff height=11>[FONT=Trebuchet MS, Arial, Helvetica][SIZE=-2]88[/SIZE][/FONT]</TD></TR><TR><TD vAlign=top align=right colSpan=5>
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</TD></TR><TR><TD vAlign=top align=left>[FONT=Trebuchet MS, Arial, Helvetica][SIZE=-2]DWS Dreman Concentrated Value <MSTR:SECURITY>LOPEX</MSTR:SECURITY>[/SIZE][/FONT]</TD><TD vAlign=top align=right>
[FONT=Trebuchet MS, Arial, Helvetica][SIZE=-2]Large Value[/SIZE][/FONT]​


</TD><TD vAlign=top align=right>[FONT=Trebuchet MS, Arial, Helvetica][SIZE=-2]52.5[/SIZE][/FONT]</TD><TD vAlign=bottom align=right>[FONT=Trebuchet MS, Arial, Helvetica][SIZE=-2]5.96[/SIZE][/FONT]</TD><TD vAlign=top align=right>[FONT=Trebuchet MS, Arial, Helvetica][SIZE=-2]92[/SIZE][/FONT]</TD></TR><TR><TD vAlign=top align=right colSpan=5>
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</TD></TR><TR><TD vAlign=top align=left bgColor=#f0f8ff height=12>[FONT=Trebuchet MS, Arial, Helvetica][SIZE=-2]Federated Strategic Value <MSTR:SECURITY>SVAAX</MSTR:SECURITY>[/SIZE][/FONT]</TD><TD vAlign=top align=right bgColor=#f0f8ff height=12>
[FONT=Trebuchet MS, Arial, Helvetica][SIZE=-2]Large Value[/SIZE][/FONT]​


</TD><TD vAlign=top align=right bgColor=#f0f8ff height=12>[FONT=Trebuchet MS, Arial, Helvetica][SIZE=-2]754.5[/SIZE][/FONT]</TD><TD vAlign=bottom align=right bgColor=#f0f8ff height=12>[FONT=Trebuchet MS, Arial, Helvetica][SIZE=-2]5.64[/SIZE][/FONT]</TD><TD vAlign=top align=right bgColor=#f0f8ff height=12>[FONT=Trebuchet MS, Arial, Helvetica][SIZE=-2]84[/SIZE][/FONT]</TD></TR><TR><TD vAlign=top align=right colSpan=5>
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</TD></TR><TR><TD vAlign=top align=left height=10>[FONT=Trebuchet MS, Arial, Helvetica][SIZE=-2]Forward Sierra Club Stock <MSTR:SECURITY>SCFSX</MSTR:SECURITY>[/SIZE][/FONT]</TD><TD vAlign=top align=right height=10>
[FONT=Trebuchet MS, Arial, Helvetica][SIZE=-2]Large Growth[/SIZE][/FONT]​


</TD><TD vAlign=top align=right height=10>[FONT=Trebuchet MS, Arial, Helvetica][SIZE=-2]40.6[/SIZE][/FONT]</TD><TD vAlign=bottom align=right height=10>[FONT=Trebuchet MS, Arial, Helvetica][SIZE=-2]5.63[/SIZE][/FONT]</TD><TD vAlign=top align=right height=10>[FONT=Trebuchet MS, Arial, Helvetica][SIZE=-2]80[/SIZE][/FONT]</TD></TR><TR><TD vAlign=top align=right colSpan=5 height=2>
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</TD></TR><TR><TD vAlign=top align=left bgColor=#f0f8ff>[FONT=Trebuchet MS, Arial, Helvetica][SIZE=-2]Delaware Pooled Large-Cap Val Eq <MSTR:SECURITY>DPDEX</MSTR:SECURITY>[/SIZE][/FONT]</TD><TD vAlign=top align=right bgColor=#f0f8ff>
[FONT=Trebuchet MS, Arial, Helvetica][SIZE=-2]Large Value[/SIZE][/FONT]​


</TD><TD vAlign=top align=right bgColor=#f0f8ff>[FONT=Trebuchet MS, Arial, Helvetica][SIZE=-2]8.9[/SIZE][/FONT]</TD><TD vAlign=bottom align=right bgColor=#f0f8ff>[FONT=Trebuchet MS, Arial, Helvetica][SIZE=-2]5.58[/SIZE][/FONT]</TD><TD vAlign=top align=right bgColor=#f0f8ff>[FONT=Trebuchet MS, Arial, Helvetica][SIZE=-2]82[/SIZE][/FONT]</TD></TR><TR><TD vAlign=top align=right colSpan=5>
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</TD></TR><TR><TD vAlign=top align=left height=2>[FONT=Trebuchet MS, Arial, Helvetica][SIZE=-2]Dean Large Cap Value <MSTR:SECURITY>DALCX</MSTR:SECURITY>[/SIZE][/FONT]</TD><TD vAlign=top align=right height=2>
[FONT=Trebuchet MS, Arial, Helvetica][SIZE=-2]Large Value[/SIZE][/FONT]​


</TD><TD vAlign=top align=right height=2>[FONT=Trebuchet MS, Arial, Helvetica][SIZE=-2]15.0[/SIZE][/FONT]</TD><TD vAlign=bottom align=right height=2>[FONT=Trebuchet MS, Arial, Helvetica][SIZE=-2]5.42[/SIZE][/FONT]</TD><TD vAlign=top align=right height=2>[FONT=Trebuchet MS, Arial, Helvetica][SIZE=-2]74[/SIZE][/FONT]</TD></TR><TR><TD vAlign=top align=right colSpan=5>
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</TD></TR><TR><TD vAlign=top align=left bgColor=#f0f8ff height=2>[FONT=Trebuchet MS, Arial, Helvetica][SIZE=-2]Touchstone JSAM Inst Large Cap Val <MSTR:SECURITY>CIJLX</MSTR:SECURITY>[/SIZE][/FONT]</TD><TD vAlign=top align=right bgColor=#f0f8ff height=2>
[FONT=Trebuchet MS, Arial, Helvetica][SIZE=-2]Large Value[/SIZE][/FONT]​


</TD><TD vAlign=top align=right bgColor=#f0f8ff height=2>[FONT=Trebuchet MS, Arial, Helvetica][SIZE=-2]12.8[/SIZE][/FONT]</TD><TD vAlign=bottom align=right bgColor=#f0f8ff height=2>[FONT=Trebuchet MS, Arial, Helvetica][SIZE=-2]5.37[/SIZE][/FONT]</TD><TD vAlign=top align=right bgColor=#f0f8ff height=2>[FONT=Trebuchet MS, Arial, Helvetica][SIZE=-2]98[/SIZE][/FONT]</TD></TR><TR><TD vAlign=top align=right colSpan=5>
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</TD></TR><TR><TD vAlign=bottom align=left colSpan=5 height=18>[FONT=Trebuchet MS, Arial, Helvetica][SIZE=-2]* As of 6-10-2008.[/SIZE][/FONT]</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
Nine of the 10 are large-value funds, which is not surprising given that banks are generally perceived as "value" stocks. More specifically, this list is dominated two groups: funds that focus on high dividend yields and funds with a contrarian strategy.

The top fund on the list, Hennessy Cornerstone Value <MSTR:SECURITY>HFCVX</MSTR:SECURITY>, uses a purely quantitative strategy in which manager Neil Hennessy buys the 50 highest-yielding stocks that meet certain minimum criteria for market cap, valuation, and earnings growth. Hennessy rebalances the portfolio just once a year, in the first quarter, and this year KeyCorp, Regions Financial, Wachovia, and National City all made the cut because their plunging stock prices have pushed up their yields. Another fund on the list, Federated Strategic Value <MSTR:SECURITY>SVAAX</MSTR:SECURITY>, also uses dividend yield as one of its main criteria, and Wachovia is among its top 10 holdings. (Its top holding is US Bancorp <MSTR:SECURITY>USB</MSTR:SECURITY>, a superregional bank that has avoided major mortgage-related damage.) Both of these funds have yields that are among the highest in the large-value category.
This list also includes several funds run by contrarian managers, who look for stocks that are deeply out of favor. Three of the top five funds on the list are managed by David Dreman, a legendary contrarian who has compiled a great long-term record by going against the flow and picking up stocks when they're most beaten-down. All three of these funds have similar portfolios that include big positions in Wachovia and KeyCorp, both of which are certainly facing their share of troubles. The number-two fund on the list, Schneider Value <MSTR:SECURITY>SCMLX</MSTR:SECURITY>, is managed by Arnie Schneider, less well-known than Dreman but similarly successful with his contrarian approach. National City and Wachovia are among this fund's top 10 holdings, as are beleaguered mortgage securitizers Fannie Mae <MSTR:SECURITY>FNM</MSTR:SECURITY> and Freddie Mac <MSTR:SECURITY>FRE</MSTR:SECURITY>.

It's not exactly a shock to see that these funds haven't done very well so far in 2008. None of them are ahead of their category for the year to date through June 10, and eight of the 10 are in their category's bottom quartile (with another one just missing). As noted above, several of the funds, including Schneider Value and DWS Dreman High Return Equity <MSTR:SECURITY>KDHAX</MSTR:SECURITY>, have very good long-term records, but the nature of contrarian investing means that they'll sometimes be badly out of sync with their peers. A respectable case can certainly be made that these regional bank stocks are undervalued right now--four of the seven have 5-star Morningstar Ratings as of June 11--but the skittishness in the market makes their short-term prospects uncertain.

David Kathman is a fund analyst with Morningstar

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I put a stop in at $12 and it was taken out today. Wow. Please read below for some very sobering comments!!

The Royal Bank of Scotland issued a stark warning to investors Wednesday, stating global stock and credit markets could be on the verge of a fully-fledged crash as central banks have their hands tied by soaring inflation, the Telegraph reported. "A very nasty period is soon to be upon us - be prepared," Bob Janjuah, credit strategist at RBS, told the UK daily paper. The S&P 500 index is likely to slump by more than 300 points by September, according to a report from the bankʼs research team, as "all the chickens come home to roost" from over-easy lending practices and other excesses of the global boom period, the report quoted by the Telegraph said. <?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p>
"I do not think I can be much blunter. If you have to be in credit, focus on quality, short durations, non-cyclical defensive names. Cash is the key safe haven. This is about not losing your money, and not losing your job," Mr Janjuah told the paper.
 

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Capitulation today in ALL the regional banks. I bought more CNB today down @ 3.60. I read there were no more shares to short and a lot of shorts ended up covering in CNB sending it closing in the green after being down 20%! I am holding long and strong on my 1500 shares of RF at an avg. cost basis of $13. I have done business with this bank for a very long time and their lending standards were always relatively tight. The street keeps looking for them to cut the dividend which is now 11% but I really don't see them doing it. When the street finally realizes that RF doesn't need to slash the divy or raise capital, this thing is off to the races. Very good bank here.
 

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Im not a fan of dividends but you have to like CNB's 7% dividend yield for such a cheap stock.
 

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This thing has been a beast for the last 3 days. I bought some on Monday and sold it yesterday morning. Would have doubled my money had I still been holding it.
 

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